F & SF

Dec. 4th, 2005 01:48 pm
shewhomust: (puffin)
Health warning: We have known since before Montaigne pointed it out that "Il y a plus affaire à interpreter les interpretations qu'à interpreter les choses, et plus de livres sur les livres que sur autre subject: nous ne faisons que nous entregloser". To the making of genre definitions there is no end. I, too, have posted about this before, and I, too, rise to the bait and talk about it again.

Further disclaimer: I love this stuff, I can't resist this game, and I really haven't time to do it justice. Apologies for ruthless editing: this is going to be quite long enough, whatever I do. And even greater apologies to those friends whose contributions to the debate I haven't read yet - no doubt I would be saying something completely different if I had the benefit of your insights, but that will have to wait until this one comes around again (as it will, never fear!)

Fantasy and Science Fiction: defining the genres (plus a small spoiler for Robin Hobb's Liveships trilogy) )
Out of time: but next time, ask me about Prester John, Geoffrey of Monmouth and the history of fantasy.
shewhomust: (puffin)
The Guardian is as guilty as any of treating genre fiction as "not quite literature", (look at the way literary fiction is reviewed book by book, while genre is covered in brief, within a carefully labelled column) but it runs this article by Peter Preston (its former editor), attacking the Man Booker judges for arbitrary exclusion of genre from consideration for the prize. He is pretty much associating himself with remarks made by Ian Rankin and P.D. James at the Cheltenham Festival, and, of the recognised genres, seems most familiar with crime, traditionally the respectable place to go slumming (though Ian Rankin makes some generous claims for SF, too).

Preston develops an interesting argument, that literature is snobbish about genre in a way that theatre and cinema are not:
Any tolerable list of great movies would have John Ford's The Searchers in there somewhere, not to mention Howard Hawks's The Big Sleep and Ford Coppola's three Godfathers. That is a western, a private eye thriller and a gangster saga - genres immemorial. Choosing them wouldn't preclude other, wholly different choices, to be sure: a Truffaut, Fassbinder or Wajda.

Interesting, but not entirely convincing; it is undermined by the blithe assumption that a figurehead of art cinema, like Truffaut, is "wholly different" to genre. That's François Truffaut, director of noir classic Tirez sur le Pianiste, not to mention the pure SF Fahrenheit 451. In other words, Preston may be right that cinema is less wedded to the belief that "If it's genre, it can't be any good..." but his thinking retains an element of "...and if it's good, it can't be genre."
shewhomust: (puffin)

  1. There isn't really any such thing as genre: as fantasy, or crime fiction, or SF... There is no pure, Platonic ideal of any of these things, to which each example can be compared and which permits us to classify it with any certainty. There is only a greater or lesser degree of consensus about how we will use these terms, and their main usefulness is to allow us to tell each other that if you like this kind of stuff, then this is the kind of stuff you will like.

  2. There is very little point in arguing about those books which are described as "too good to be..." whichever genre we are talking about. If it's a good book which is accessible to everyone, that's great. The usefulness of genre is in identifying those books which not everyone will enjoy, but which will work for genre readers by giving them their shot of whatever draws them to that genre - sensawunda, can you solve the mystery before the detective does, even saccharine romance - and whose flaws they will overlook in order to get that shot.

  3. The difference between fantasy and science fiction lies not in what happens, but in precise nature of the suspension of disbelief asked of the reader. SF tells you that in certain circumstances, the laws of nature could operate in certain way, and invites you to set aside your disbelief; fantasy concedes that the laws of nature do not operate in a certain way, and invites you to imagine how it might be if they did: the unnatural, or supernatural. The otherness of the unreal is essential to fantasy, the extraordinariness of the real is essential to SF.

  4. And a slightly different one to finish with: poetry is a genre in the same way that SF, or crime, is a genre: the same small press publications, the same devoted following, meeting in pubs and going to readings by authors whose names are unknown to the general reading public, the same sense that the books that do find commercial success outside the genre ("The Nation's Favourite Poems" etc.) are not a good representation of what it has to offer, the same sense of being marginalised, the same debates about definitions...

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